Previously unexplained patterns of evolution may aim to prevent or tolerate mistranslation
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Scientists at Harvard University and the University of Texas at Austin have found that genetic evolution is strongly shaped by genes' efforts to prevent or tolerate errors in protein production.
Their study also suggests that the cost of errors in protein production may lie in the malformed proteins themselves, rather than the loss of functional proteins. Misfolded proteins can build up in long-lived cells, like neurons, and cause neurodegenerative diseases.
The work, by D. Allan Drummond at Harvard and Claus O. Wilke at Texas, is described in the July 25 issue of the journal Cell.
"It has long been believed that the main force of natural selection on protein-coding genes is the need to maintain a working protein," says Drummond, a Bauer Fellow in Harvard's FAS Center for Systems Biology. "Our work suggests that another force may be equally important: the need to avoid misfolded proteins resulting from errors in translation."
Protein molecules must fold to become biologically active, and mistakes can cause misfolding, which can be toxic. Yet the protein-producing factories in our cells are estimated to make mistakes in 20 percent of the molecules they produce. Adaptations to this surprising sloppiness may be crucial in understanding the evolution of genes across species, from bacteria to humans, say Drummond and Wilke.
Essentially, they write, natural selection has fostered the evolution of genes that minimize the effects of errors in translation, the production of proteins from genetic templates in cells. An example is the careful placement of codons, which are sections of DNA that code for amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. Some codons translate more accurately, and previous research had suggested that high-fidelity codons are positioned at key locations in the genome, where a mistake might be harmful. These studies, however, had only considered fast-growing organisms like E. coli bacteria and fruit flies.
"Contrary to what was believed, our work shows that even in the human genome, codons are positioned to minimize errors," says Wilke, assistant professor of integrative biology at Texas. "Just like a mistake on your taxes is more costly than a mistake on your grocery list -- so you concentrate more on your taxes -- cells seem to concentrate on preventing mistakes that might result in costly misfolded proteins."
Drummond and Wilke analyzed humans, mice, fruit flies, worms, yeast and E. coli bacteria and discovered that all of these organisms have evolved ways to prevent the production of costly aberrant proteins.
"Finding such sweeping effects from a single, simple cost has the potential to reshape the way evolution is studied at the molecular level," Drummond says. "While much work has focused on how evolution makes creatures different, our work emphasizes fundamental ways in which all life is the same."
While evolutionary studies are often retrospective, Drummond and Wilke also developed a molecular-level evolutionary simulation, allowing them to track the evolution of genomes encoding many simple proteins over millions of generations. In some simulations, they added evolutionary costs for misfolded proteins, while in others this cost was not factored in. They found that genomes evolving with misfolding costs developed all the genome-wide patterns seen in real organisms, while those evolving without costs did not.
The work could have long-term implications for our understanding of neurodegenerative diseases. Misfolded proteins are known to accumulate in neurons and are central players in fatal disorders such as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, better known as Lou Gehrig's disease. Drummond and Wilke suggest that mistranslation may contribute to long-studied forms of ALS and other similar diseases.
Wilke says the current study may lead to better ways to detect genes with mutations that lead to production of toxic, misfolded proteins, and ultimately, to a better understanding of neurodegenerative disease.
"These genes may produce proteins that look innocuous but nevertheless cause a severe disease condition," Wilke says.
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Drummond and Wilke's work was funded by the National Institutes of Health.
> Previously unexplained patterns of evolution may aim to prevent or > tolerate mistranslation
> CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Scientists at Harvard University and the > University of Texas at Austin have found that genetic evolution is > strongly shaped by genes' efforts to prevent or tolerate errors in > protein production.
> Their study also suggests that the cost of errors in protein > production may lie in the malformed proteins themselves, rather than > the loss of functional proteins. Misfolded proteins can build up in > long-lived cells, like neurons, and cause neurodegenerative diseases.
> The work, by D. Allan Drummond at Harvard and Claus O. Wilke at Texas, > is described in the July 25 issue of the journal Cell.
> "It has long been believed that the main force of natural selection on > protein-coding genes is the need to maintain a working protein," says > Drummond, a Bauer Fellow in Harvard's FAS Center for Systems Biology. > "Our work suggests that another force may be equally important: the > need to avoid misfolded proteins resulting from errors in > translation."
> Protein molecules must fold to become biologically active, and > mistakes can cause misfolding, which can be toxic. Yet the > protein-producing factories in our cells are estimated to make > mistakes in 20 percent of the molecules they produce. Adaptations to > this surprising sloppiness may be crucial in understanding the > evolution of genes across species, from bacteria to humans, say > Drummond and Wilke.
> Essentially, they write, natural selection has fostered the evolution > of genes that minimize the effects of errors in translation, the > production of proteins from genetic templates in cells. An example is > the careful placement of codons, which are sections of DNA that code > for amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. Some codons > translate more accurately, and previous research had suggested that > high-fidelity codons are positioned at key locations in the genome, > where a mistake might be harmful. These studies, however, had only > considered fast-growing organisms like E. coli bacteria and fruit > flies.
> "Contrary to what was believed, our work shows that even in the human > genome, codons are positioned to minimize errors," says Wilke, > assistant professor of integrative biology at Texas. "Just like a > mistake on your taxes is more costly than a mistake on your grocery > list -- so you concentrate more on your taxes -- cells seem to > concentrate on preventing mistakes that might result in costly > misfolded proteins."
> Drummond and Wilke analyzed humans, mice, fruit flies, worms, yeast > and E. coli bacteria and discovered that all of these organisms have > evolved ways to prevent the production of costly aberrant proteins.
> "Finding such sweeping effects from a single, simple cost has the > potential to reshape the way evolution is studied at the molecular > level," Drummond says. "While much work has focused on how evolution > makes creatures different, our work emphasizes fundamental ways in > which all life is the same."
> While evolutionary studies are often retrospective, Drummond and Wilke > also developed a molecular-level evolutionary simulation, allowing > them to track the evolution of genomes encoding many simple proteins > over millions of generations. In some simulations, they added > evolutionary costs for misfolded proteins, while in others this cost > was not factored in. They found that genomes evolving with misfolding > costs developed all the genome-wide patterns seen in real organisms, > while those evolving without costs did not.
> The work could have long-term implications for our understanding of > neurodegenerative diseases. Misfolded proteins are known to accumulate > in neurons and are central players in fatal disorders such as > amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, better known as Lou Gehrig's disease. > Drummond and Wilke suggest that mistranslation may contribute to > long-studied forms of ALS and other similar diseases.
> Wilke says the current study may lead to better ways to detect genes > with mutations that lead to production of toxic, misfolded proteins, > and ultimately, to a better understanding of neurodegenerative > disease.
> "These genes may produce proteins that look innocuous but nevertheless > cause a severe disease condition," Wilke says.
> ###
> Drummond and Wilke's work was funded by the National Institutes of > Health.
> Previously unexplained patterns of evolution may aim to prevent or > tolerate mistranslation
> CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Scientists at Harvard University and the > University of Texas at Austin have found that genetic evolution is > strongly shaped by genes' efforts to prevent or tolerate errors in > protein production.
> Their study also suggests that the cost of errors in protein > production may lie in the malformed proteins themselves, rather than > the loss of functional proteins. Misfolded proteins can build up in > long-lived cells, like neurons, and cause neurodegenerative diseases.
> The work, by D. Allan Drummond at Harvard and Claus O. Wilke at Texas, > is described in the July 25 issue of the journal Cell.
> "It has long been believed that the main force of natural selection on > protein-coding genes is the need to maintain a working protein," says > Drummond, a Bauer Fellow in Harvard's FAS Center for Systems Biology. > "Our work suggests that another force may be equally important: the > need to avoid misfolded proteins resulting from errors in > translation."
> Protein molecules must fold to become biologically active, and > mistakes can cause misfolding, which can be toxic. Yet the > protein-producing factories in our cells are estimated to make > mistakes in 20 percent of the molecules they produce. Adaptations to > this surprising sloppiness may be crucial in understanding the > evolution of genes across species, from bacteria to humans, say > Drummond and Wilke.
> Essentially, they write, natural selection has fostered the evolution > of genes that minimize the effects of errors in translation, the > production of proteins from genetic templates in cells. An example is > the careful placement of codons, which are sections of DNA that code > for amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. Some codons > translate more accurately, and previous research had suggested that > high-fidelity codons are positioned at key locations in the genome, > where a mistake might be harmful. These studies, however, had only > considered fast-growing organisms like E. coli bacteria and fruit > flies.
> "Contrary to what was believed, our work shows that even in the human > genome, codons are positioned to minimize errors," says Wilke, > assistant professor of integrative biology at Texas. "Just like a > mistake on your taxes is more costly than a mistake on your grocery > list -- so you concentrate more on your taxes -- cells seem to > concentrate on preventing mistakes that might result in costly > misfolded proteins."
> Drummond and Wilke analyzed humans, mice, fruit flies, worms, yeast > and E. coli bacteria and discovered that all of these organisms have > evolved ways to prevent the production of costly aberrant proteins.
> "Finding such sweeping effects from a single, simple cost has the > potential to reshape the way evolution is studied at the molecular > level," Drummond says. "While much work has focused on how evolution > makes creatures different, our work emphasizes fundamental ways in > which all life is the same."
> While evolutionary studies are often retrospective, Drummond and Wilke > also developed a molecular-level evolutionary simulation, allowing > them to track the evolution of genomes encoding many simple proteins > over millions of generations. In some simulations, they added > evolutionary costs for misfolded proteins, while in others this cost > was not factored in. They found that genomes evolving with misfolding > costs developed all the genome-wide patterns seen in real organisms, > while those evolving without costs did not.
> The work could have long-term implications for our understanding of > neurodegenerative diseases. Misfolded proteins are known to accumulate > in neurons and are central players in fatal disorders such as > amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, better known as Lou Gehrig's disease. > Drummond and Wilke suggest that mistranslation may contribute to > long-studied forms of ALS and other similar diseases.
> Wilke says the current study may lead to better ways to detect genes > with mutations that lead to production of toxic, misfolded proteins, > and ultimately, to a better understanding of neurodegenerative > disease.
> "These genes may produce proteins that look innocuous but nevertheless > cause a severe disease condition," Wilke says.
> ###
> Drummond and Wilke's work was funded by the National Institutes of > Health.
> -- > Bob.
You do realise what you are saying, Right?
In a nutshell.
A gene is read, transcribed, translated, and then the ribsome fucks up 20% of the time.
So you have all these chaperones and error correction proteins to "fix" these fuckups.
Which came first?
The Gene? The DNA?
All the proteins that transcribe the DNA (BUT their buggered)? All the genes that translate the DNA (BUT their buggered)? All the chaperones, that guide the process (BUT their buggered)? All the ribsomes that BUGGER UP (BUT their buggered)?
You are compounding this Buggered up 20% quite a lot.
> > Previously unexplained patterns of evolution may aim to prevent or > > tolerate mistranslation
> > CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Scientists at Harvard University and the > > University of Texas at Austin have found that genetic evolution is > > strongly shaped by genes' efforts to prevent or tolerate errors in > > protein production.
> > Their study also suggests that the cost of errors in protein > > production may lie in the malformed proteins themselves, rather than > > the loss of functional proteins. Misfolded proteins can build up in > > long-lived cells, like neurons, and cause neurodegenerative diseases.
> > The work, by D. Allan Drummond at Harvard and Claus O. Wilke at Texas, > > is described in the July 25 issue of the journal Cell.
> > "It has long been believed that the main force of natural selection on > > protein-coding genes is the need to maintain a working protein," says > > Drummond, a Bauer Fellow in Harvard's FAS Center for Systems Biology. > > "Our work suggests that another force may be equally important: the > > need to avoid misfolded proteins resulting from errors in > > translation."
> > Protein molecules must fold to become biologically active, and > > mistakes can cause misfolding, which can be toxic. Yet the > > protein-producing factories in our cells are estimated to make > > mistakes in 20 percent of the molecules they produce. Adaptations to > > this surprising sloppiness may be crucial in understanding the > > evolution of genes across species, from bacteria to humans, say > > Drummond and Wilke.
> > Essentially, they write, natural selection has fostered the evolution > > of genes that minimize the effects of errors in translation, the > > production of proteins from genetic templates in cells. An example is > > the careful placement of codons, which are sections of DNA that code > > for amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. Some codons > > translate more accurately, and previous research had suggested that > > high-fidelity codons are positioned at key locations in the genome, > > where a mistake might be harmful. These studies, however, had only > > considered fast-growing organisms like E. coli bacteria and fruit > > flies.
> > "Contrary to what was believed, our work shows that even in the human > > genome, codons are positioned to minimize errors," says Wilke, > > assistant professor of integrative biology at Texas. "Just like a > > mistake on your taxes is more costly than a mistake on your grocery > > list -- so you concentrate more on your taxes -- cells seem to > > concentrate on preventing mistakes that might result in costly > > misfolded proteins."
> > Drummond and Wilke analyzed humans, mice, fruit flies, worms, yeast > > and E. coli bacteria and discovered that all of these organisms have > > evolved ways to prevent the production of costly aberrant proteins.
> > "Finding such sweeping effects from a single, simple cost has the > > potential to reshape the way evolution is studied at the molecular > > level," Drummond says. "While much work has focused on how evolution > > makes creatures different, our work emphasizes fundamental ways in > > which all life is the same."
> > While evolutionary studies are often retrospective, Drummond and Wilke > > also developed a molecular-level evolutionary simulation, allowing > > them to track the evolution of genomes encoding many simple proteins > > over millions of generations. In some simulations, they added > > evolutionary costs for misfolded proteins, while in others this cost > > was not factored in. They found that genomes evolving with misfolding > > costs developed all the genome-wide patterns seen in real organisms, > > while those evolving without costs did not.
> > The work could have long-term implications for our understanding of > > neurodegenerative diseases. Misfolded proteins are known to accumulate > > in neurons and are central players in fatal disorders such as > > amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, better known as Lou Gehrig's disease. > > Drummond and Wilke suggest that mistranslation may contribute to > > long-studied forms of ALS and other similar diseases.
> > Wilke says the current study may lead to better ways to detect genes > > with mutations that lead to production of toxic, misfolded proteins, > > and ultimately, to a better understanding of neurodegenerative > > disease.
> > "These genes may produce proteins that look innocuous but nevertheless > > cause a severe disease condition," Wilke says.
> > ###
> > Drummond and Wilke's work was funded by the National Institutes of > > Health.
> > -- > > Bob.
> You do realise what you are saying, Right?
> In a nutshell.
> A gene is read, transcribed, translated, and then the ribsome fucks up > 20% of the time.
> So you have all these chaperones and error correction proteins to > "fix" these fuckups.
> Which came first?
> The Gene? The DNA?
> All the proteins that transcribe the DNA (BUT their buggered)? > All the genes that translate the DNA (BUT their buggered)? > All the chaperones, that guide the process (BUT their buggered)? > All the ribsomes that BUGGER UP (BUT their buggered)?
> You are compounding this Buggered up 20% quite a lot.
> Did you realise that? Ore do you just quote mine?
A "quote mine" in the context of t.o is a misleading quote. Quoting the whole article can hardly be misleading, as all the context is present.
About the "buggeredness": I understand the article to imply that evolution works (and has worked) to minimize the effects of it.
Query for IDists: why would an intelligent designer design a translation function that has a 20% error rate?
Regards,
Karel
-- If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them (Asimov)
> > > Previously unexplained patterns of evolution may aim to prevent or > > > tolerate mistranslation
> > > CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Scientists at Harvard University and the > > > University of Texas at Austin have found that genetic evolution is > > > strongly shaped by genes' efforts to prevent or tolerate errors in > > > protein production.
> > > Their study also suggests that the cost of errors in protein > > > production may lie in the malformed proteins themselves, rather than > > > the loss of functional proteins. Misfolded proteins can build up in > > > long-lived cells, like neurons, and cause neurodegenerative diseases.
> > > The work, by D. Allan Drummond at Harvard and Claus O. Wilke at Texas, > > > is described in the July 25 issue of the journal Cell.
> > > "It has long been believed that the main force of natural selection on > > > protein-coding genes is the need to maintain a working protein," says > > > Drummond, a Bauer Fellow in Harvard's FAS Center for Systems Biology. > > > "Our work suggests that another force may be equally important: the > > > need to avoid misfolded proteins resulting from errors in > > > translation."
> > > Protein molecules must fold to become biologically active, and > > > mistakes can cause misfolding, which can be toxic. Yet the > > > protein-producing factories in our cells are estimated to make > > > mistakes in 20 percent of the molecules they produce. Adaptations to > > > this surprising sloppiness may be crucial in understanding the > > > evolution of genes across species, from bacteria to humans, say > > > Drummond and Wilke.
> > > Essentially, they write, natural selection has fostered the evolution > > > of genes that minimize the effects of errors in translation, the > > > production of proteins from genetic templates in cells. An example is > > > the careful placement of codons, which are sections of DNA that code > > > for amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. Some codons > > > translate more accurately, and previous research had suggested that > > > high-fidelity codons are positioned at key locations in the genome, > > > where a mistake might be harmful. These studies, however, had only > > > considered fast-growing organisms like E. coli bacteria and fruit > > > flies.
> > > "Contrary to what was believed, our work shows that even in the human > > > genome, codons are positioned to minimize errors," says Wilke, > > > assistant professor of integrative biology at Texas. "Just like a > > > mistake on your taxes is more costly than a mistake on your grocery > > > list -- so you concentrate more on your taxes -- cells seem to > > > concentrate on preventing mistakes that might result in costly > > > misfolded proteins."
> > > Drummond and Wilke analyzed humans, mice, fruit flies, worms, yeast > > > and E. coli bacteria and discovered that all of these organisms have > > > evolved ways to prevent the production of costly aberrant proteins.
> > > "Finding such sweeping effects from a single, simple cost has the > > > potential to reshape the way evolution is studied at the molecular > > > level," Drummond says. "While much work has focused on how evolution > > > makes creatures different, our work emphasizes fundamental ways in > > > which all life is the same."
> > > While evolutionary studies are often retrospective, Drummond and Wilke > > > also developed a molecular-level evolutionary simulation, allowing > > > them to track the evolution of genomes encoding many simple proteins > > > over millions of generations. In some simulations, they added > > > evolutionary costs for misfolded proteins, while in others this cost > > > was not factored in. They found that genomes evolving with misfolding > > > costs developed all the genome-wide patterns seen in real organisms, > > > while those evolving without costs did not.
> > > The work could have long-term implications for our understanding of > > > neurodegenerative diseases. Misfolded proteins are known to accumulate > > > in neurons and are central players in fatal disorders such as > > > amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, better known as Lou Gehrig's disease. > > > Drummond and Wilke suggest that mistranslation may contribute to > > > long-studied forms of ALS and other similar diseases.
> > > Wilke says the current study may lead to better ways to detect genes > > > with mutations that lead to production of toxic, misfolded proteins, > > > and ultimately, to a better understanding of neurodegenerative > > > disease.
> > > "These genes may produce proteins that look innocuous but nevertheless > > > cause a severe disease condition," Wilke says.
> > > ###
> > > Drummond and Wilke's work was funded by the National Institutes of > > > Health.
> > > -- > > > Bob.
> > You do realise what you are saying, Right?
> > In a nutshell.
> > A gene is read, transcribed, translated, and then the ribsome fucks up > > 20% of the time.
> > So you have all these chaperones and error correction proteins to > > "fix" these fuckups.
> > Which came first?
> > The Gene? The DNA?
> > All the proteins that transcribe the DNA (BUT their buggered)? > > All the genes that translate the DNA (BUT their buggered)? > > All the chaperones, that guide the process (BUT their buggered)? > > All the ribsomes that BUGGER UP (BUT their buggered)?
> > You are compounding this Buggered up 20% quite a lot.
> > Did you realise that? Ore do you just quote mine?
> A "quote mine" in the context of t.o is a misleading quote. > Quoting the whole article can hardly be misleading,
Ah right, let me log that down. Whole articles are "good", partial ones are "bad".
> About the "buggeredness": I understand the article to imply > that evolution works (and has worked) to minimize the effects > of it.
Wooo. If 20% degradation is with all the error correction in place, how much without it?
> Query for IDists: why would an intelligent designer design > a translation function that has a 20% error rate?
Idiot.
Thats like asking,
"Why would "quickpar" design an internet that has inherent signal degradation".
> > > > Previously unexplained patterns of evolution may aim to prevent or > > > > tolerate mistranslation
> > > > CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Scientists at Harvard University and the > > > > University of Texas at Austin have found that genetic evolution is > > > > strongly shaped by genes' efforts to prevent or tolerate errors in > > > > protein production.
> > > > Their study also suggests that the cost of errors in protein > > > > production may lie in the malformed proteins themselves, rather than > > > > the loss of functional proteins. Misfolded proteins can build up in > > > > long-lived cells, like neurons, and cause neurodegenerative diseases.
> > > > The work, by D. Allan Drummond at Harvard and Claus O. Wilke at Texas, > > > > is described in the July 25 issue of the journal Cell.
> > > > "It has long been believed that the main force of natural selection on > > > > protein-coding genes is the need to maintain a working protein," says > > > > Drummond, a Bauer Fellow in Harvard's FAS Center for Systems Biology. > > > > "Our work suggests that another force may be equally important: the > > > > need to avoid misfolded proteins resulting from errors in > > > > translation."
> > > > Protein molecules must fold to become biologically active, and > > > > mistakes can cause misfolding, which can be toxic. Yet the > > > > protein-producing factories in our cells are estimated to make > > > > mistakes in 20 percent of the molecules they produce. Adaptations to > > > > this surprising sloppiness may be crucial in understanding the > > > > evolution of genes across species, from bacteria to humans, say > > > > Drummond and Wilke.
> > > > Essentially, they write, natural selection has fostered the evolution > > > > of genes that minimize the effects of errors in translation, the > > > > production of proteins from genetic templates in cells. An example is > > > > the careful placement of codons, which are sections of DNA that code > > > > for amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. Some codons > > > > translate more accurately, and previous research had suggested that > > > > high-fidelity codons are positioned at key locations in the genome, > > > > where a mistake might be harmful. These studies, however, had only > > > > considered fast-growing organisms like E. coli bacteria and fruit > > > > flies.
> > > > "Contrary to what was believed, our work shows that even in the human > > > > genome, codons are positioned to minimize errors," says Wilke, > > > > assistant professor of integrative biology at Texas. "Just like a > > > > mistake on your taxes is more costly than a mistake on your grocery > > > > list -- so you concentrate more on your taxes -- cells seem to > > > > concentrate on preventing mistakes that might result in costly > > > > misfolded proteins."
> > > > Drummond and Wilke analyzed humans, mice, fruit flies, worms, yeast > > > > and E. coli bacteria and discovered that all of these organisms have > > > > evolved ways to prevent the production of costly aberrant proteins.
> > > > "Finding such sweeping effects from a single, simple cost has the > > > > potential to reshape the way evolution is studied at the molecular > > > > level," Drummond says. "While much work has focused on how evolution > > > > makes creatures different, our work emphasizes fundamental ways in > > > > which all life is the same."
> > > > While evolutionary studies are often retrospective, Drummond and Wilke > > > > also developed a molecular-level evolutionary simulation, allowing > > > > them to track the evolution of genomes encoding many simple proteins > > > > over millions of generations. In some simulations, they added > > > > evolutionary costs for misfolded proteins, while in others this cost > > > > was not factored in. They found that genomes evolving with misfolding > > > > costs developed all the genome-wide patterns seen in real organisms, > > > > while those evolving without costs did not.
> > > > The work could have long-term implications for our understanding of > > > > neurodegenerative diseases. Misfolded proteins are known to accumulate > > > > in neurons and are central players in fatal disorders such as > > > > amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, better known as Lou Gehrig's disease. > > > > Drummond and Wilke suggest that mistranslation may contribute to > > > > long-studied forms of ALS and other similar diseases.
> > > > Wilke says the current study may lead to better ways to detect genes > > > > with mutations that lead to production of toxic, misfolded proteins, > > > > and ultimately, to a better understanding of neurodegenerative > > > > disease.
> > > > "These genes may produce proteins that look innocuous but nevertheless > > > > cause a severe disease condition," Wilke says.
> > > > ###
> > > > Drummond and Wilke's work was funded by the National Institutes of > > > > Health.
> > > > -- > > > > Bob.
> > > You do realise what you are saying, Right?
> > > In a nutshell.
> > > A gene is read, transcribed, translated, and then the ribsome fucks up > > > 20% of the time.
> > > So you have all these chaperones and error correction proteins to > > > "fix" these fuckups.
> > > Which came first?
> > > The Gene? The DNA?
> > > All the proteins that transcribe the DNA (BUT their buggered)? > > > All the genes that translate the DNA (BUT their buggered)? > > > All the chaperones, that guide the process (BUT their buggered)? > > > All the ribsomes that BUGGER UP (BUT their buggered)?
> > > You are compounding this Buggered up 20% quite a lot.
> > > Did you realise that? Ore do you just quote mine?
> > A "quote mine" in the context of t.o is a misleading quote. > > Quoting the whole article can hardly be misleading,
> Ah right, let me log that down. Whole articles are "good", partial > ones are "bad".
> > About the "buggeredness": I understand the article to imply > > that evolution works (and has worked) to minimize the effects > > of it.
> Wooo. If 20% degradation is with all the error correction in place, > how much without it?
> > Query for IDists: why would an intelligent designer design > > a translation function that has a 20% error rate?
