the world is wising up big time:free trade propaganda being equated as nazi propaganda, which it is:"Goebbels used to say if you repeat a lie several times it becomes a truth"
Subject: the world is wising up big time:free trade propaganda being equated as nazi propaganda, which it is:"Goebbels used to say if you repeat a lie several times it becomes a truth"
Brazil official's Nazi reference rocks WTO talks By BRADLEY S. KLAPPER, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 1 minute ago
GENEVA - Some pre-negotiation jabbing turned into a potentially damaging diplomatic incident Saturday when Brazil's foreign minister said rich countries' deception in trade talks reminded him of tactics used by Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels. ADVERTISEMENT His comments drew a sharp rebuke from the United States, whose chief trade negotiator, Susan Schwab, is the daughter of Jewish Holocaust survivors. Her spokesman described the reference to Goebbels as "incredibly wrong." The controversy threatens to overshadow next week's last-ditch effort to save seven years of frustrating talks on a new global trade pact toward alleviating poverty around the world. The so-called Doha trade round is already teetering on the brink of collapse. President Bush has made a Doha deal a key part of his trade agenda. Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim said the U.S., Europe and other wealthy economies have so frequently misrepresented the talks launched in Qatar's capital in 2001 that public perception has become totally warped. "Goebbels used to say if you repeat a lie several times it becomes a truth," Amorim told reporters at the World Trade Organization, where top negotiators from over two dozen countries are expected Monday for the official start of the talks. Poorer countries have demanded cuts in the farm tariffs and subsidies used by wealthy countries, saying they hinder Third World development. In exchange, rich countries have insisted on better market access in developing countries for their manufacturers and service providers. Amorim implied that rich countries were employing Goebbels' lying tactics in describing the agricultural concessions they claim they are willing to make, while criticizing poorer countries for refusing to liberalize their industrial markets. "I am reminded of Goebbels," said Amorim, whose country has co-led with India a broad coalition of developing countries at the WTO talks. Later, his spokesman qualified the remarks and apologized to Schwab. Sean Spicer, spokesman for the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, said he was horrified by the "personal venom" of Amorim's words. "We came here to Geneva to negotiate on substance," Spicer told The Associated Press. "For him to make remarks like this is so incredibly wrong. They are insulting." Spicer noted that Schwab visited Amorim to soothe tensions immediately after negotiations collapsed in acrimony in 2006. In an interview with the AP, Amorim's spokesman Ricardo Neiva Tavares said the minister "regrets if Susan Schwab or anyone else was upset by his comments on a historical fact. He certainly did not intend to hurt anyone's feelings, which he deeply respects." ___ Associated Press writer Eliane Engeler contributed to this report.
Subject: Re: the world is wising up big time:free trade propaganda being equated as nazi propaganda, which it is:"Goebbels used to say if you repeat a lie several times it becomes a truth"
well spotted. poor countries are arguing for more free trade -
> Poorer countries have demanded cuts in the farm tariffs and subsidies > used by wealthy countries, saying they hinder Third World development. > In exchange, rich countries have insisted on better market access in > developing countries for their manufacturers and service providers. > Amorim implied that rich countries were employing Goebbels' lying > tactics in describing the agricultural concessions they claim they are > willing to make, while criticizing poorer countries for refusing to > liberalize their industrial markets.
they then compare protectionism to nazism -
> "I am reminded of Goebbels," said Amorim, whose country has co-led > with India a broad coalition of developing countries at the WTO talks. > Later, his spokesman qualified the remarks and apologized to Schwab. > Sean Spicer, spokesman for the Office of the U.S. Trade > Representative, said he was horrified by the "personal venom" of > Amorim's words.
which is a little harsh. but i think we can all agree, free trade will benifit the poor.
Subject: Re: the world is wising up big time:free trade propaganda being equated as nazi propaganda, which it is:"Goebbels used to say if you repeat a lie several times it becomes a truth"
> well spotted. poor countries are arguing for more free trade -
>> Poorer countries have demanded cuts in the farm tariffs and >> subsidies >> used by wealthy countries, saying they hinder Third World >> development. >> In exchange, rich countries have insisted on better market access >> in >> developing countries for their manufacturers and service providers. >> Amorim implied that rich countries were employing Goebbels' lying >> tactics in describing the agricultural concessions they claim they >> are >> willing to make, while criticizing poorer countries for refusing to >> liberalize their industrial markets.
> they then compare protectionism to nazism -
>> "I am reminded of Goebbels," said Amorim, whose country has co-led >> with India a broad coalition of developing countries at the WTO >> talks. >> Later, his spokesman qualified the remarks and apologized to >> Schwab. >> Sean Spicer, spokesman for the Office of the U.S. Trade >> Representative, said he was horrified by the "personal venom" of >> Amorim's words.
> which is a little harsh. but i think we can all agree, free trade > will > benifit the poor.
Free global trade usually benefits everyone in the long run.
Subject: Re: the world is wising up big time:free trade propaganda being equated as nazi propaganda, which it is:"Goebbels used to say if you repeat a lie several times it becomes a truth"
On Jul 20, 2:09 pm, orangata...@googlemail.com wrote:
> well spotted. poor countries are arguing for more free trade -
> > Poorer countries have demanded cuts in the farm tariffs and subsidies > > used by wealthy countries, saying they hinder Third World development. > > In exchange, rich countries have insisted on better market access in > > developing countries for their manufacturers and service providers. > > Amorim implied that rich countries were employing Goebbels' lying > > tactics in describing the agricultural concessions they claim they are > > willing to make, while criticizing poorer countries for refusing to > > liberalize their industrial markets.
> they then compare protectionism to nazism -
no, they simply state that all the happy talk of open markets means world prosperity is just that, propaganda. just ask starving haitians who were talked into giving up rice production that enabled them to feed themselves, to grow tomato's for exports, then later on found that the global rice markets had been cornered, and they could not afford to buy from unreliable, unstable global markets. giving up food security is as dumb as giving up production for consumption.
> > "I am reminded of Goebbels," said Amorim, whose country has co-led > > with India a broad coalition of developing countries at the WTO talks. > > Later, his spokesman qualified the remarks and apologized to Schwab. > > Sean Spicer, spokesman for the Office of the U.S. Trade > > Representative, said he was horrified by the "personal venom" of > > Amorim's words.
> which is a little harsh. but i think we can all agree, free trade will > benifit the poor.
bullshit. you ignored this years food riots, and the ever larger hoards of people working for $2.00 a day or less.
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Subject: Re: the world is wising up big time:free trade propaganda being equated as nazi propaganda, which it is:"Goebbels used to say if you repeat a lie several times it becomes a truth"
> > well spotted. poor countries are arguing for more free trade -
> >> Poorer countries have demanded cuts in the farm tariffs and > >> subsidies > >> used by wealthy countries, saying they hinder Third World > >> development. > >> In exchange, rich countries have insisted on better market access > >> in > >> developing countries for their manufacturers and service providers. > >> Amorim implied that rich countries were employing Goebbels' lying > >> tactics in describing the agricultural concessions they claim they > >> are > >> willing to make, while criticizing poorer countries for refusing to > >> liberalize their industrial markets.
> > they then compare protectionism to nazism -
> >> "I am reminded of Goebbels," said Amorim, whose country has co-led > >> with India a broad coalition of developing countries at the WTO > >> talks. > >> Later, his spokesman qualified the remarks and apologized to > >> Schwab. > >> Sean Spicer, spokesman for the Office of the U.S. Trade > >> Representative, said he was horrified by the "personal venom" of > >> Amorim's words.
> > which is a little harsh. but i think we can all agree, free trade > > will > > benifit the poor.
> Free global trade usually benefits everyone in the long run.
> Fred
you are parroting a disgraced, completely discredited assumption.
The biggest political story of 2008 is getting little coverage. It involves the collapse of assumptions that have dominated our economic debate for three decades. Since the Reagan years, free market cliches have passed for sophisticated economic analysis. But in the current crisis, these ideas are falling, one by one, as even conservatives recognize that capitalism is ailing. You know the talking points: Regulation is the problem and deregulation is the solution. The distribution of income and wealth doesn't matter. Providing incentives for the investors of capital to "grow the pie" is the only policy that counts. Free trade produces well-distributed economic growth, and any dissent from this orthodoxy is "protectionism." e.j. dionne
Subject: Re: the world is wising up big time:free trade propaganda being equated as nazi propaganda, which it is:"Goebbels used to say if you repeat a lie several times it becomes a truth"
> Brazil official's Nazi reference rocks WTO talks > By BRADLEY S. KLAPPER, Associated Press Writer > 1 hour, 1 minute ago
> GENEVA - Some pre-negotiation jabbing turned into a potentially > damaging diplomatic incident Saturday when Brazil's foreign minister > said rich countries' deception in trade talks reminded him of tactics > used by Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels. > ADVERTISEMENT > His comments drew a sharp rebuke from the United States, whose chief > trade negotiator, Susan Schwab, is the daughter of Jewish Holocaust > survivors. Her spokesman described the reference to Goebbels as > "incredibly wrong." > The controversy threatens to overshadow next week's last-ditch effort > to save seven years of frustrating talks on a new global trade pact > toward alleviating poverty around the world. > The so-called Doha trade round is already teetering on the brink of > collapse. President Bush has made a Doha deal a key part of his trade > agenda. > Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim said the U.S., Europe and > other wealthy economies have so frequently misrepresented the talks > launched in Qatar's capital in 2001 that public perception has become > totally warped. > "Goebbels used to say if you repeat a lie several times it becomes a > truth," Amorim told reporters at the World Trade Organization, where > top negotiators from over two dozen countries are expected Monday for > the official start of the talks. > Poorer countries have demanded cuts in the farm tariffs and subsidies > used by wealthy countries, saying they hinder Third World development. > In exchange, rich countries have insisted on better market access in > developing countries for their manufacturers and service providers. > Amorim implied that rich countries were employing Goebbels' lying > tactics in describing the agricultural concessions they claim they are > willing to make, while criticizing poorer countries for refusing to > liberalize their industrial markets.
It's unfortunate that Brazil's foreign minister compared rich nations' propaganda to Nazi propaganda. The truth is, Europe and America do subsidize agriculture, or at least parts of it.
And that has had an atrocious effect on the agricultural sector of poorer countries. One of the reasons that so many Mexicans are flocking to the US is because NAFTA put small farmers out of business. Thrown off the land, they come here to earn a living. The native-born complain; but what else are these dispossessed to do? Lay down and die in the street?
the truth is, americans donate more food to the poor around the world than all the other nations combined. right here in south bend, they have a christian group,"LESEA BROADCASTING. they ship food in every emergency situation. they even got a cargo plane into burma when their idiot govt. refused everyone else entrance.we have all this food to give to the poor because of our capitalist system. i never hear f chna,north korea,cuba or serbia, all socialist governments, donating any food to any starving person...that is because socialsm is a rotten idea.
"Arrest the oil commodity speculators for conspiracy to commit "price fixing" !
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