Future headline: "AT&T unilaterally drops all freeware nntp USENET newsgroups" ostensibly to protect the rights of the software industry alliance because in 88 of 100,000 messages, payware was found in the freeware discussions
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:58:27 -0700 'Anita' wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>Future headline: >"AT&T unilaterally drops all freeware nntp USENET newsgroups" ostensibly to >protect the rights of the software industry alliance because in 88 of >100,000 messages, payware was found in the freeware discussions
I have long predicted the end of Usenet for two reasons:
1.Govts don't like it due to too much political dissent. 2.Big money doesn't like it due to loss of profits by theft.
-- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident" (Arthur Schopenhauer)
This type of heavy-handed contempt for customers is why I recommend to people that they never get their internet service from large corporations.
My first ISP was Pacific Bell (now transformed into AT&T). My contract actually stipulated that I was never to say anything derogatory about Pacific Bell. The service, which was originally very good, was degraded in stages. I finally walked when all my email was lost by them for an entire week. They never acknowledged that they'd screwed up, and refused to give me a partial refund; also refused to forward my email to the small company that I abandoned them for.
Don't stay with corporate jerks if you can help it. There are many small, responsive ISPs out there who know the value of their customers.
Richard Steinfeld wrote: > This type of heavy-handed contempt for customers is why I recommend to > people that they never get their internet service from large corporations.
> My first ISP was Pacific Bell (now transformed into AT&T). My contract > actually stipulated that I was never to say anything derogatory about > Pacific Bell. The service, which was originally very good, was degraded > in stages. I finally walked when all my email was lost by them for an > entire week. They never acknowledged that they'd screwed up, and refused > to give me a partial refund; also refused to forward my email to the > small company that I abandoned them for.
> Don't stay with corporate jerks if you can help it. There are many > small, responsive ISPs out there who know the value of their customers.
> Richard
Wow, you must be in a broadband-rich region. I have just ONE cable broadband distributor in my area: Comcast. I'm too far out in the suburbs to get DSL (plus I still want the higher speed of cable). Sounds great to make a different choice WHEN there is actually different choices available!
hummingbird wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:58:27 -0700 'Anita' > wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>> Future headline: >> "AT&T unilaterally drops all freeware nntp USENET newsgroups" ostensibly to >> protect the rights of the software industry alliance because in 88 of >> 100,000 messages, payware was found in the freeware discussions
> I have long predicted the end of Usenet for two reasons:
> 1.Govts don't like it due to too much political dissent. > 2.Big money doesn't like it due to loss of profits by theft.
I can see the day when ISP's stop NNTP access, those currently offering paid Usenet access will become ISP's in their own right and many will jump ship.
-- Me Here
"Your vote certainly counts. On the other hand, your vote may not be counted." -- Robert Richie, Center for Voting and Democracy, commenting on the 2000 Presidential election.
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:18:26 -0700, Richard Steinfeld
<rgsteinBUTREMOVET...@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote: >This type of heavy-handed contempt for customers is why I recommend to >people that they never get their internet service from large corporations.
>My first ISP was Pacific Bell (now transformed into AT&T). My contract >actually stipulated that I was never to say anything derogatory about >Pacific Bell. The service, which was originally very good, was degraded >in stages. I finally walked when all my email was lost by them for an >entire week. They never acknowledged that they'd screwed up, and refused >to give me a partial refund; also refused to forward my email to the >small company that I abandoned them for.
>Don't stay with corporate jerks if you can help it. There are many >small, responsive ISPs out there who know the value of their customers.
>> This type of heavy-handed contempt for customers is why I recommend to >> people that they never get their internet service from large corporations.
>> My first ISP was Pacific Bell (now transformed into AT&T). My contract >> actually stipulated that I was never to say anything derogatory about >> Pacific Bell. The service, which was originally very good, was degraded >> in stages. I finally walked when all my email was lost by them for an >> entire week. They never acknowledged that they'd screwed up, and refused >> to give me a partial refund; also refused to forward my email to the >> small company that I abandoned them for.
>> Don't stay with corporate jerks if you can help it. There are many >> small, responsive ISPs out there who know the value of their customers.
>> Richard
> Wow, you must be in a broadband-rich region. I have just ONE cable > broadband distributor in my area: Comcast. I'm too far out in the > suburbs to get DSL (plus I still want the higher speed of cable). > Sounds great to make a different choice WHEN there is actually different > choices available!
I have two cable providers - both suck. I live less than 3 km's from two phone exchanges and neither of them are ADLS2 enabled so I'm stuck using cable for the time being :-(
-- Me Here
Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)
============================================================ For a pleasurable Usenet experience, I recommend kill-filing the following twits:
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>hummingbird wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:58:27 -0700 'Anita' >> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>>> Future headline: >>> "AT&T unilaterally drops all freeware nntp USENET newsgroups" ostensibly to >>> protect the rights of the software industry alliance because in 88 of >>> 100,000 messages, payware was found in the freeware discussions
>> I have long predicted the end of Usenet for two reasons:
>> 1.Govts don't like it due to too much political dissent. >> 2.Big money doesn't like it due to loss of profits by theft.
>I can see the day when ISP's stop NNTP access, those currently offering >paid Usenet access will become ISP's in their own right and many will >jump ship.
Indeed. Many UK ISPs have dropped NNTP already, including my own, and I see quite a few US ISPs doing the same. That will create a consolidation of NNTP access by a few big NSPs. That in turn will make it easier for govts to influence and exercise their own control over as dissent rises. Much of the dissent I see on UK politics groups isn't from the dork brigade, but from educated, well informed people. That must scare the pants off the politicians. In the UK I believe both major parties monitor the political newsgroups.
-- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident" (Arthur Schopenhauer)
Anita wrote: > Future headline: > "AT&T unilaterally drops all freeware nntp USENET newsgroups" ostensibly to > protect the rights of the software industry alliance because in 88 of > 100,000 messages, payware was found in the freeware discussions
"Someone on the New York attorney general's staff probably should have informed his or her boss that AOL actually ceased to offer all Usenet newsgroups more than three years ago--for business reasons, not political reasons. Even in the bizzaro world of politics, an Internet provider can't very well cease to offer what it already has ceased to offer. (AOL will continue to allow its customers to access third-party Usenet providers such as Giganews, and Usenet.com.)"
> What's next? Freeware newsgroups?
Eh... excuse me, but what's the difference between
Best to be polite, encourage his fight against kiddie porn, but criticize his heavy-handed method of accomplishing it via killing parts of usenet.
-- John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to block all crossposts and all Google Groups posts because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet, nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:58:27 -0700, Anita wrote: > Future headline: > "AT&T unilaterally drops all freeware nntp USENET newsgroups" ostensibly to > protect the rights of the software industry alliance because in 88 of > 100,000 messages, payware was found in the freeware discussions
